2010/09/19 – zero the fool’s take on Desteni, Equality and “Cults”

Just ran across a wordpress blog by “zero the fool,” and it’s quite an interesting take on Desteni. The link wasn’t working so I placed the text here.


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Posted on September 19, 2010 by zerothefool

‘Cult’ or a positive force in the world?

Most people and their mother would look at a group like Desteni and automatically come to the conclusion that they are a cult and that all cults are evil. For crying out loud, they shave their heads! Horrible! Some of the members have channeled Adolf Hitler and have done forgiveness and healing with him!?? Only brainwashed disaffected teenagers do such things. Think of those atrocious and pesky Hare Krishnas! They shave their heads also!

Let us examine the word ‘cult’ first. Words are often used or misused to ‘broad-cast’ a spell on large sums of non-critical peoples.

Broad: (n) having great (or a certain) extent from one side to the other
Cast: (v) to put or send forth. (as in ‘to cast a spell’)

Definition of the word cult: *pejoratively* refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered strange.

What does pejoratively mean?
Pejoratively is a term of abuse.

Pejoratively: the word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The narrower, derogatory sense of the word is a product of the 20th century, especially since the 1980s, and is considered subjective. It is also a result of the anti-cult movement which uses the word in reference to groups seen as authoritarian, exploritative and possibly dangerous. The word implies a group which is a minority in society.

You say, “Oh SHIT! Those pesky minorities!
They’re dangerous!
This is another Barak Obama Socialist SCHEME!”

I say, “Get over these fears already. They’re not real.”

“Whenever I hear the word culture, I reach for my Browning!”
– Hermann Goerring.

Why would this evil Nazi man say something like this? Possibly because he was well aware of how easy it was to create a ‘cult’-ure. Culture is simply whatever belief system that is widely accepted by masses of un-critical masses of humans (usually thanks to the mass media).

What-chyou-talkin’ bout, fool?

Paradigm. That’s what I’m talking about.

(The fool takes a moment to breathe and think about the depths of the ‘rabbit hole’)

Paradigm: Systematic arrangement of all the inflected forms of a word.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God…
Again. THINK. Please…
What is the ‘word‘?
How does one cast a spell?

Think about this.

Yes, the Nazis created their own ‘cult’-ure. Possibly Hermann Goerring’s frustration with the current degenerating ‘cult’-ure was due to his desire to create a new degenerated ‘cult’-ure. At this point, I would like to make it very clear that I do not support the Nazi cause. I support no cause that does not acknowledge suffering in the world. I support no cause that creates unnecessary suffering in the world. But, like Hermann Goering, I also reject falsity under the guise of ‘cult’-ure. The ‘cult’-ure I promote can also be described as a ‘cult’. It is called the ‘cult’ of EQUALITY. This idea was not instilled in me by a group called Desteni and it sure was not instilled into me by the ‘cult’ of the Catholic Church (which I was raised in) nor was it instilled in me by my historical research into National Socialist Germany! Are you still able to stop and ponder this without allowing your emotional attachment to any of these ‘cults’ cause an outburst from you?

This idea of equality came to me either by some invisible (and still invisible) spirit guide, by my own common sense or by my own pondering. As a child, I always wondered what made humans think they were so damned superior to the rest of nature. Why am I allowed to crush this insect? Why is this killing not considered murder?

Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Genesis 1:28 – God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Yes, I have a problem with this scripture. Man, have we subdued the earth alright! We have subdued the earth and filled it to the point where it is choking on the fumes of our pollution, drowning in the oil we have spilled into its oceans…

Subduing is subduing and killing is killing. This is not the word of God. The earth is not the devil’s world. No, the earth is not here for us to destroy. It probably makes a scripture-slave shiver when they hear someone say that to ‘kill is to kill’ and to kill is taking a life = murder and it is NOT of God. Such a person has issues to deal with. The first thing is to forgive the self. What could be so evil for realizing that the human is fallible and has issues to deal with and that forgiving the self is the first step forward in overcoming the over-Saturnized (limitation setting) concept of bowing and scraping and flagellating oneself for being ‘less than’ when in fact a person has the ability to find equality with the rest of creation?

“Think for yourself ’cause I won’t be there with you…”
(Jesus Christ, the Beatles or both?)

A member of Desteni responded on a Cult Education Forum online:

Hi my name is Andrea and I am one of the founding members of Desteni

I would like to answer your questions. At Desteni we present self honesty tools, which assists each person to use common sense evaluations of what is here and how to asist themselves within who we have become as the nature of man. I have also done dimensional work therefore for me the interviews done through the portal are relevent, meaning that it is done by a dimensional being. I do understand though that if you do not see or hear or access dimensionality – then seeing the portal or a dimensional message as ‘valid’ must be difficuilt. However what we suggest to people is to not worry about who presents the message but rather what is being said. Look for yourself at what is being presented and the practical solutions for all.

On the website we have many articles and videos on the design of man and how each are able to work through accepted designs using self forgiveness and self honesty. The forum is where everybody get together to share examples on the work each do and solutions for what we have accepted in this world that exists within each: eg greed, desire, want, emotions, pre-programmed thoughts etc. I did a scid a while back on: ‘Is money a cult’ and compared everything described to be a cult to every definition and value given to money: The same exercise could be applied to society, family, relationships, orginisations, religions, establishments, any construct designed within this world. Have you guys taken on the cult of money, religion and society or do you only talk about the ‘cliched’ groups, which you are not able to define or place inside a box or you are not ‘dependent’ on for your apparent ‘survival’ within the system? Remember what is seen as ‘cult behaviour is largely based on opinions and not practical common sense.

The members who were banned on the desteni forum all wanted to be special or have us tell them that their accepted dishonesties are ok and that we will support them in their programmed behaviour instead of them supporting themselves in self honesty and self corrective action. The point is we are responsible for what is here and therefore we are the solutions. If we drop all illusions and take responsibility for ourselves then we are able to find solutions
So, question away..

My involvement on YouTube is as follows:

Sorry if I’m interfering here. Just wanted to share a maybe useful information with you. Saw you posting a comment on a Bernard Poolman vid. Poolman is the founder and leader of a thought-reform cult called Desteni. They resemble Scientology very much. Desteni makes a big thing out of “Equality”, but it is a hierarchy with a leader at the top with absolute say over everything. There is no equality in Desteni. It is a normal, privately owned, pro-profit capitalistic business with hidden financial records. So much for “Equal Money”. Desteni shows all giveaway signs of a potentially dangerous mind-controlling cult. They are a cruel and malicious attempt at manipulating the vulnerable who invest all their hopes in the con.
I advise you not to support this scam organization. They have hurt a lot of people already.

Thanks for considering,
(their name)

The Fool’s response:

Thanks for taking the time to write to me your concerns about Desteni. I must admit there is much I do not know about the group and you may have information to help clear up my perception. For example, who have they hurt and how? How are they similar to Scientology?

Not sure what faith system or what your political perspectives are and I do not intend on offending you by saying this. I see organizations like the Catholic church doing more harm and people do bow to a cult-like figure in this religion called the pope. One cannot ignore the sex abuse scandal that has been going on for a loooooooong time.

I also see this same concept going on in Hindu ashrams where each member has to get down on their hands and knees and bow to the guru. Respect is one thing, but getting on your hands and knees is something completely different symbolically. I see something wrong when one human being gets on their hands and knees and bows to another human being.

The 3 major religions of the world are not female-friendly either. They are male-dominated. Open up the book of Leviticus and tell me otherwise. Visit an Islamic country. Tell me that it is okay to beat your wife. Sharia allows this.

I do not see many world religions focusing on understanding yourself and others, self-healing, self-honesty or true equality. I see a whole lot of successful separation. Eg. “If you do not accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, you are going to hell.” = inequality, fear-mongering, non-forgiveness.

I believe in equality. In my travels have found that equality incenses people to the point of hysteria or near-violence. Especially in the United States, there is this concept that if you work hard, you are ‘entitled’ to safety, security, lots of money and the ‘right’ to treat those less fortunate like sh**.
No one is ‘entitled’ to safety and security in this world, unfortunately. At least Buddhism is honest enough to recognize this.

In the United States, if its money were distributed equally to everyone yearly between the ages of 18 and 65, each individual would have 700,000 USD. Not sure if you see this kind of money every day or not, but nobody I know does. I did not learn this from Desteni. A human being does not ‘need’ 50,000 USD a year to thrive.

The systems of the world are designed to keep the average person DOWN. Economically, racially, politically, socially, educationally, and in my opinion, worst of all, spiritually.

I apologize if my tone is a bit negative or accusatory. It is not my intention to harm you in any way. I am open to any feedback you might have regarding my points or my tone. If you could please share more of your facts on this Desteni group, it would be greatly appreciated.

(no name given)
Gimme Some Truth – John Lennon

I’m sick and tired of hearing things from uptight, short-sighted, narrow minded hipocritics
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
I’ve had enough of reading things by neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth

Anyone got truth?

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